Cedega vs Crossover Games A Hands on Review PDF Print E-mail
Written by Tom Wickline   
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 02:50
Most people who use Linux for desktop use are well aware of the one of the largest issues facing the platform: Lack of commercial software. Now in most cases this is not an issue, no MS Office - use OpenOffice, no Internet Explorer - use FireFox. However one thing which there is currently no replacement for is gaming. Try as they might there are just not enough Open-Source game developers (or even closed-sourced ones) that bring the level of gaming quality, as of yet, to Linux that Windows enjoys.

Enter the world of Win-on-Lin. The Wine Project, was start in 1993 and has slowly come into maturity over the course of the last sixteen years. Wine is a compatibility layer, or more precisely a reimplementation of the Windows API, that allows Windows applications to run under Linux. While the Wine project does a wonderful job of what it is designed to do (run Windows applications on Linux) how ever it sorely lacks in the means of a GUI front end for easy configuration/calibration.

Which brings me to my topic at hand - Cedega & Codeweavers. What are Cedega and Codeweavers? They two (closed source) programs both based off of the Wine Project to create what it lacks - a user friendly interface. Designed to help you get your Windows games working with ease on Linux. They both have their ups and downs and today I am going to look at each program and see how they compare. I currently have both Cedega and Codeweavers licenses so all the information given is from first hand experience working with both products. I'm going to be judging based on following criteria:
  1. Functionality - How well do they do what they are suppose to do?
  2. GUI Front End - How do the front-ends between the two compare?
  3. Website - Being able to find information is everything, how do the websites compare?
  4. Customer Service/Support - If you are paying for a product you want to know you can get help with it if it doesn't work properly.
  5. Fees & Licensing - How much do they cost and what are you paying for?
Functionality -

Cedega does a fairly good job of helping the user get their programs up and running. Upon selecting install it auto-detects any disc drives on the system for known game discs it can install. If it does not find any (or finds the wrong one) it is easy enough to direct it to the proper file/disc via the GUI. One of the things I really like about Cedega is the large number of pre-defined profiles it contains for different game titles (and just because you game isn't listed doesn't mean it will not work). Basically what this means is when you install a game that has a profile it automatically uses what are known to be the "best Wine settings" to get the optimum performance out of your game.

While Cedega does a great job at actually running the important parts of your games it is obvious that certain aspects of some programs have been neglected, Steam for instance works fine for loading and playing games but the friends network does not work in the slightest and installing flash for it is difficult at best.

Also worth noting here is that while Cedega started off as a fork of the Wine project (version 4.0 and earlier of Cedega was known as WineX or Wine Extreme) initially, it is no longer associated with it. Because of this of this fact the Windows API behind Cedega is also now different from that which powers Wine and as such there are a few applications that will not function under Wine (or things powered by Wine) that perform with out a hick-up under Cedega.

All in all I'm giving Cedega a 9 out of 10 points for functionality - it is a good software.

Functionality 9/10 - Cedega Total 9/10

Upon opening the Codeweavers program installer you are presented with a small list of applications that it will auto install and configure for you. I say small list because by comparison to the amount of game profiles listed under Cedega it feels somewhat incomplete. How ever as with Cedega just because the game you want to run is not on the list does not mean that it will not work. Also like Cedega, Codeweavers will auto detect any disc drives you have when you go to install a piece of software, one thing I also really like is that when detecting disc drives it also detects mounted iso files you may want to install from.

While the given list of games that are pre-configured in Codeweavers is small compared to the games list present in Cedega, it is very obvious that most of the games on the list have been worked on extensively to get them working to a optimum level with a careful attention to detail. Using Steam as my example again upon installation Codeweavers downloads and configures flash, in addition to other things, to help it work almost as good as it does natively on Windows (the only issue currently with the Steam UI is a small scroll bar issue).

Codeweavers is based directly off the Wine project, as such if a program works poorly under Wine odds are it is going to work just as poorly under Codeweavers. As such this also means that any performance you see with an application under Codeweavers can be replicated under just a standard Wine install (how ever it may take you several hours to get everything just right).

I'm giving Codeweavers an 8 out of 10 on functionality. It is good software but it needs to expand its games list some.

Functionality 8/10 - Codeweavers Total 8/10

GUI Front End -
One of the most important things about both these pieces of software is their GUI. One of the wonderful things about Linux is how alot of things "just work" and having a front end to install Windows applications through is a nice addition to have.

The Cedega GUI does a nice job of giving you a centralized location to house all of your Games/Windows applications. (You can add launchers for your favorite native Linux apps/games to it as well) Also present in Cedega that Codeweavers does not have is a "diagnostic test". Basically it checks over your hardware and configuration for anything that may cause issues when running your games. In addition to being able to check your configuration the diagnostic tool also allows for an easy copy and paste of your system specifications which is useful if you are unsure of your setup (or too lazy to type it out) when trying to debug an issue.

Lacking in the Cedega GUI how ever are native menu entries. Applications installed under Cedega often times feel foreign as you have to open a separate program to launch them or create your own custom menu entry (and hunting down the correct icon for you game can be a headache). Also worth noting with netbooks becoming more and more popular is that the Cedega GUI is obviously designed for a resolution of at least 768 pixel height, parts of it get cut off on most netbook screens. The Cedega GUI as a whole is good but it could stand a few changes - 8 out of 10

GUI Front End 8/10 - Cedega Total 8.5/10

While Codeweavers does not give you a centralized location for all your install applications like Cedega does, however it is still well done. Codeweavers does a beautiful job of integrating with your local menus (Gnome, KDE, ect) when installing applications. In fact if Codeweavers would simply add the games you install to the games section of your menu instead of its own section I do not think most users would be able to tell the difference between a natively installed game and one installed via Codeweavers. Same as Cedega here 8 of 10, fully functional but could still be slightly better.

GUI Front End 8/10 - Codeweavers Total 8/10

Website -

Knowledge is power as they say, one of the most important things about any piece of software you may have is that you fully understand how to use it. Often times these days ones of the best resources for learning such information is an application's homepage.

Cedega's home page is relatively horrid to say the least. It does provide the basic information on the product and pricing but that is about it. Many parts of the website have been 100% non-functional for the last months I have had my subscription and it really takes from the product as a whole. Voting for which applications you wish to be supported is one key feature that is lacking for example. On top of this another "feature" of the page is that you cannot view certain data if you do not have a current subscription - meaning if you are someone looking into Cedega to see if it will run a certain game you will have to pony up the cash to give it a try. Also horrid is the Cedega rating system for applications which has three options: "Certified, Works, and Known not to Work". Certified means you are able to contact customer service in order to get help with said application should an issue arise and well the other two kind of explain them self. Also, and this is not Cedega's fault per-say but odds are is due to a small user base, but the information about many application in their listing is rather lacking by comparison to others.

Cedega's website needs some HUGE improvements, as of now it is functional. So I'll give it a 4 out of 10.

Website 4/10 - Cedega Total 6.7/10

Codeweaver's website is a refreshing change from that of Cedega. It is obviously that of a professional company, the layout is nice and everything is clearly labeled. Everything is accessible with or with out a user login. If you are a member they have a nice system for allowing you to "vote" for which applications you would like to see better support for (So they know what they should be spending time working on). The user forums are slightly non-standard but not necessarily in a bad way, they just take some getting used to. Also a feature worth noting is Codeweavers ticketing system, you can browse past support tickets that yourself or other people have posted for solutions to past issues.

I really do not have anything bad to say about the Codeweavers website, it is well done and fully functional - 10 out of 10

Website 10/10 - Codeweavers Total 8.5/10

Customer Service/Support -

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And when 8.1 comes out?
Jukka 2009-11-10 00:20:55

I hope you know that crossover 8.1 (Snow Mallard/Zombie Mallard) will feature a major rehaul of the
GUI and other usability issues on Linux.

This includes also the possibility for users to make game
profiles and contribute them to other end users to aid their installations.
Tom Wickline 2009-11-10 01:02:51

Hello Jukka,

The review is about what's released today, right now, not some future release.. I
myself have tested Codeweavers nightly builds and you are indeed correct. The new GUI and design
allows for users to create profiles, scripts for applications and games.

Im sure when the next
releaase ships me and Jeff and others will then base our reviews on the current
offering.

Cheers,
Tom
Just meant... :)
Jukka 2009-11-10 04:56:40

Sorry, my comment was propably poorly phrased.

My main idea was that this wasn't the best moment to
do the comparison as there is coming a major overhaul soon and I was hoping that you would update
the comparison once the new version is out. :)
Tom Wickline 2009-11-10 06:14:30

Yes of course once the next version of Crossover Games is released me and other people out there
will do updated and current reviews. Thanks for your input and thoughts they are greatly appreciated
here.

Cheers,
Tom
Of course we plan to update :)
Jeff Hoogland 2009-11-10 13:29:59

I'm not dropping my Codeweavers subscription any time soon - once 8.1 hits shelves (so to speak)
I'll be posting an update for sure.

~Jeff
Hands on review games
Carling 2009-11-10 03:54:38

Some how you seem to be well out of touch with what's going on in the games media for Linux, People
writing articles on Linux, what ever it may be just don't bring themselves up to date, by doing a
little research before hand,

That could have been done by going through the Lxer archives over the
passed few weeks where there are reports on the games with some games software houses releasing
their games engine to Linux and also writing and porting their games to Linux, There are quiet a few
3D 2D action games for Linux that have been highly rated.

It's not that I'm a action games player
at 67 years old, but I do do my research, to know the answers when I recommend FOSS Linux to
anyone, when they come up with. 'Linux can't do this, that or the other like windows can,'

Then I
have the greatest of pleasure pulling out my Linux jump drive inserting it into their computer and
showing them what Linux can do that window can't do, It's surprising how many Linux users and
reporters that don't actually know what Linux can do, they know a little but not enough.

Sorry for
the slap down but you do need to catch up with what's going on Not what used to be the old command
line linux, People still think that's what Linux is today for the GEEKS only, By the way I show them
if they want to play their windows games then do it with a Virtual machine using Virtualbox or
VMWare there are many ways to do many thing with a computer
I agree
Jukka 2009-11-10 05:05:13

I agree with you fully on this that those software houses that do their software for more than 1
operating system are the best choices to invest your money into.

Codeweavers is in one way an
enabling organisations in this that they help create the possibility to run and contribute this to
wine project. I make no such comment on Cedega as they seem to like to keep what they improve. The
way that they are an enabling organisation is that through their efforts the software houses can see
that we are interested in software that they have done only for Windows.

Personally I do not use
Windows at all for work (if I can avoid it) and wine implementations a bit as some stuff
unfortunately are still necessary for myself. What I use at home is Linux and only Linux, but I use
implementations of wine for my entertainment software...

My only really needed game to run at the
moment is Lord of the Rings Online which runs nicely with crossover games. Using wine would hav been
more nice, but 64bit os is a bit of a problem with this sometimes so I use crossover.

Personally I
can't wait for Unigine engine to come out on Linux and perhaps games that utilise it too!

And I do
hope Virtualbox gets the 3D support really going for virtual machines. My favorite virtual machine
tool at the moment. :)
VMWare or VirtualBox
Brian 2009-11-10 07:39:05

I can understand what you're saying except when it comes to the use of VMWare or VirtualBox... I
think you miss the point here. There are varying reasons we all use Linux but when you start adding
these back into the mix you might as well use XP natively since there is no support for the type of
games, the performance takes a huge hit, the required hardware acceleration is lost and not to
mention you have now paid for it. Neither application can give you the required support needed to
play the type of games this author is talking about there is ALWAYS this misconception. There is
also the principle that I should not have to buy M$ to have fun. I am Linux and I also like to play
games.
Have to disagree
Aaron 2009-11-10 16:04:29

Carling,

While I have the greatest respect for all Gnu/Linux advocates and hope that they
can disabuse all doubters of the wonders of Gnu/Linux, I can't agree with you
wholeheartedly.

I am a long-time and complete user of Gnu/Linux, associate member of the
FSF, campaigner for Free drivers and firmware and am fairly absolutist when it comes to
Free software. Even given all of that, I don't think that some software houses
releasing Gnu/Linux games makes Wine/Codeweavers less important (I personally have no
interest in in Cedega, as they give nothing back to Free software and seem to me just as
proprietary as the OS that they replace). I can replace IE with Firefox, Office with OOo
and Outlook with Thunderbird, because I am using these to achieve an aim that I can
achieve with a Free program. If I want to play a game of Dune 2000, however, the ability to
play a different game doesn't help at all.

For most applications, the ability to run them
alongside native Gnu/Linux applications is brilliant. For games, that is a great bonus,
but not as important, as it tends to be all that I do at any one time. I am inclined to
agree with other posters, though, that a VM for games is just not practical and you may as
well just dual boot. Personally, I see a big advantage in replacing a proprietary software
stack with Free ones through Wine/Crossover, even if parts of the game aren't perfect.
Codeweavers have a good page on the differences between its approach, VMs and dual-booting
here: http://www.codeweavers.com/products/differences....
Off Topic Rant
Jeff Hoogland 2009-11-10 13:28:28

I guess I do not understand what you are saying I am out of touch with in the context of the
article. While it is true we are getting more and more games native to Linux (which is great) most
all big name releases do not support it (In fact with Epic's failure to give us a native installer
for UT3 there really aren't any large game creation companies that produce for GNU/Linux anymore).


I also like how you say I am out of touch about my topic at hand and yet you clearly state you are
not a gamer - so how would you know if popular games run?

Also I'd just like to throw out there
that it irks me to no end that people always look at this review and throw out there "What about
VMs?" or "What about Play on Linux?" or "What about plain old Wine?" ect. I'm
aware all of these exist - but double check the topic of the article, I'm pretty sure it clearly
says it's only going to talk about Cedega & Codeweavers.

/rant - Sorry most of your comments feel
very misplaced.

~Jeff
peon-dev 2009-11-10 06:21:09

Codeweavers contributes code back into WINE, unlike Cedega.
It's one of the main reasons why I chose
them.
Waiting for 9.x
Jukka 2009-11-18 06:26:52

Jeff Hoogland wrote:
I'm not dropping my Codeweavers subscription any time soon - once 8.1 hits shelves (so to
speak) I'll be posting an update for sure.

~Jeff


Looks like 8.1 didn't have much new stuff. I'll be holding my breath (not really) for 9.x to
bring some new fancy enjoyment. :) Though I'd like to know how playable Left 4 Dead 2 is
with this one. :)
Jeff Hoogland 2009-11-18 06:45:07

I'll be loading up the latest 8.1 release when I get home this evening and if the L4D2 Demo runs
under it I'll be sure to pick up the full game and run it through it's paces.

~Jeff
This article tottaly misses the point
Mathieu 2009-12-16 04:46:55

This article couldn't be more wrong about Cedega (and also Crossover, but I don't know Crossover
that much).
There are 3 poor lines telling that Cedega actually run games better than Wine, 3 lines
!
The only reason I paid for a Cedega subscription was because I got good performance in games such
as Left4dead or Call Of Duty 4, which is really hard to get with Wine unless you happen to have a
very high end machine.
I don't give a rat's ass about the GUI or the Website, I just want the games
to run well. I tried hacking on Wine to get left4Dead running, getting 10 FPS at most until I
realised how useless all of this was. I took out my credit card and went to Cedega's website, and
never regretted my purchase.
I really don't care about a GUI, I actually write some myself and
would never pay for one, but getting games to run, that's harder and Cedega is good at this.
The
only way Crossover could compare to Cedega would be : "Do you get more FPS with it, with the
same level of details ?"
That's it. GUIs and Websites can be written even by the less skilled
hackers (Have you looked at PlayOnLinux's source code ?) and it's really not worth paying money for
that.
I'm Confused
Jeff Hoogland 2009-12-16 07:44:34

You said the article totally misses the point and yet you agree with everything I have posted?...
Personally I think (And many others agree) that the GUI is very important, the website, and customer
service are not far behind them.

Also not to mention there has not been a Cedega update in over a
year now... I am not paying for a product that comes with little to no support. Also CXGames has a
few optimizations that allow it to run things better than Wine and it is making progress (unlike
Cedega is) - see the fact that CXGames supports/runs L4D2 and Cedega does not.

Also see that I have
benchmarks posted regarding Wine/Cedega/CXGames if you really want to know how well the products
perform in that respect - this story was to cover all aspects from it, so I must has to disagree
with you that I "miss the point"

Regards,
~Jeff
Also -
Jeff Hoogland 2009-12-16 07:47:29

If you really just care about the performance of the two products take note that I gave Cedega a 9
out of 10 and CXGames only an 8 out of 10 in this area. So if that is all you care about - just
ignore the rest - but many people want to know about the product as a whole. If I buy a car I want
to know more than just what engine is in it, but also how it looks.

~Jeff
Tom Wickline 2009-12-16 08:27:07

And CodeWeavers gives back 95% of their work to the community, Wine is what it is because
CodeWeavers and other decent people have given their hard work to the Wine project. Transgaming,
Cedega... MD 20/20 is what I call it most of the time hasn't given back squat in the past five
years!

Back in the day when Wine was under the X11 licence Transgaming raped the project, they
used other peoples work and gave back very little, in my opinion the only reason they gave what they
did was for their over hyped total BULL SHIT press releases!

They have never cared about open
source or the FOSS community they only care about their selves.

So why does PlayOnLinux,
Wine-Doors, Q4Wine, Bordeaux, IEs4Linux, Wine Bottler, and any other front-end work with Wine?


Simple...

Because the fine people at CodeWeavers gave away for free their hard work to the Wine
project.

So to sum this rant up... To support CodeWeavers is to support Wine.

Tom
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